AsteqsiUr yettwasuqqel ara yakan · yettban s العربيةBayna·

Which river? The text says اليم only. Should the map show no pin for this moment at all?

28:7 and 20:39 both use اليم without a name. 20:39 says the chest will be cast by the water onto the shore where an enemy picks it up; still no name, no country. If we put a pin on any river we are adding what the verse does not say. I propose the moment stays unpinned and the evidence panel records the silence, with any proposed identification shown as grade C or D on the wiki rather than on the map.

Leqran · 20:39Leqran →

أَنِ اقْذِفِيهِ فِي التَّابُوتِ فَاقْذِفِيهِ فِي الْيَمِّ فَلْيُلْقِهِ الْيَمُّ بِالسَّاحِلِ يَأْخُذْهُ عَدُوٌّ لِّي وَعَدُوٌّ لَّهُ

Place him in the chest, then place it in the water; let the water cast it onto the shore; an enemy of Mine and an enemy of his will take him.

630Takarḍa·Wiki

Taswiɛt 4 seg 5amek i iteddu YettwasdukelTagnit tamezwarut: 52 seg 25 n tefranin · tagnit tamezwarut tesra 15 n yisenqaden

1 · Tigniwin

Yal yiwen yessufuɣ tamuɣli s ttbut.

2 · Afran n usmizzwer

Tagnit tesra 25 n tefranin akken ad tawweḍ ɣer usenqed. Tifranin ɣef udiwenni ssmizzwirent-t kan deg Umennuḍ.

3 · Asenqed

Iɛeggalen senqaden ttbut n yal tagnit, maci ma qebblen. Yesra 15 n yisenqaden, sin n tulsin ilaq ad ɛeddin.

4 · Yettwasdukel

Tigniwin yettwasneqden ttwasdukulent deg usebter, s umizzwer n tefranin, yal amettekki yettwabder.

5 · Yettwasuffeɣ

Ɣef wiki d tegzumt n wakud. Yal yiwen yezmer ad yeldi tagnin, ara yerren taswiɛt 3–5.

D acu i d-qqarent tfesniwin?

ABCDE

Aḍris n LeqranUdmawanArra s uzemzAḥezzebUr yettwasneqden

Tifesniwin glment ttbut, maci d afran. Tagnit tettawi tafesna n ttbut i tt-isbedden; asefhem dima d D.

Wali yal tafesnaFfer

AQuranic textAḍris, akken yettwaru

What the text itself says, quoted as written. amedya: 20:39 yettwabder · yal aseqdec n اليم yettwaḥseb

BMaterial evidenceIfeɣwalen, idrimen, imukan — s uɣbalu-nsen

Manuscripts, inscriptions, coins, artefacts and sites — and images of them whose provenance (holder, reference, date, photographer) was recorded and checked. amedya: Adrim n Juba II · tira n Tipasa

CDated documentAmaru d uzemz ttwassnen

Chronicles, lexica, treaties, maps, reports and studies with a known author and date. amedya: Ibn Xeldun, 1377 · takarḍa tafransist n 1830

DInterpretationAḥezzeb ɣef A–C

Reasoning built on A–C. Always D, whatever it cites. amedya: “Ihi asif ilaq ad yili…”

EUnverifiedWar aɣbalu, war azemz

Images without provenance, undated or anonymous claims. Cannot support a finding. amedya: Tugna n ugdil war aɣbalu

✓ yezmer ad yesbedd tagnit~ yebna ɣef wiyaḍ✕ ur yezmir ara

Kcem akken ad tessufɣeḍ, ad tferneḍ u ad tsenqdeḍ.

Kcem Snulfu-d amiḍan

4 tigniwin · s umizzwer n tefranin3 timezwura tura deg usenqed

#1Deg usenqedA · Quranic text

Amedya n Bayna·

Point of view: the word never names a river, so no pin. Found: all 8 occurrences of اليم tabled with their syntactic frames (2:50, 7:136, 20:39 twice, 20:78, 20:97, 28:7, 28:40, 51:40). In every one it is a body of water; a proper name never appears beside it.

Aḍris n Leqran · yamm-occurrences-table.pdf · AAkatalug / amḍan n wawalen · corpus-screenshot.png · A

✓ ① Tifranin · 25 ttwaweḍent · amḍiq #152

② Isenqaden · 10 seg 159 teṣḥa

Ayen ara yettwasneqden: Open the attached table and confirm the 8 verses are quoted correctly and that none places a proper name beside اليم.

2 n yiwenniten

Amedya n Bayna·

This settles the word. Can you add 2:50 and 7:136 to the timeline evidence panel for moment 12 as well, so both ends of the story show one word?

14yenfeɛ

Amedya n Bayna·

Yes, that will be in the verified version.

7yenfeɛ

#2Deg usenqedB · Material evidence

Amedya n Bayna·

Point of view: keep a grey "proposed, unsupported" marker on the timeline card, not on the map. Found: the map rules already use grey for grade D; a screenshot of the rule and three past threads where rivers were proposed without a dated source.

Tawlaft neɣ asmiḍen · map-rules-grade-d.png · BTtbut udmawan · 3 linked threads · B

✓ ① Tifranin · 25 ttwaweḍent · amḍiq #237

② Isenqaden · 12 seg 1512 teṣḥa

Ayen ara yettwasneqden: Ldi yal ttbut u sentem belli yeqqar-d ayen i d-tenna tegnit.

0 n yiwenniten

#3YettwasneqedA · Quranic text

Amedya n Bayna·

Point of view: the shore in 20:39 is the only place-like word and it is generic. Found: السَّاحِل is a hapax, this is its only occurrence in the Quran; corpus entry and the root s-ḥ-l in two classical lexica attached.

Akatalug / amḍan n wawalen · sahil-corpus.png · ATtbut udmawan · lexica-s-h-l.pdf · B

✓ ① Tifranin · 25 ttwaweḍent · amḍiq #330

② Isenqaden · 15 seg 1514 teṣḥa

Ayen ara yettwasneqden: Ldi yal ttbut u sentem belli yeqqar-d ayen i d-tenna tegnit.

✓ Yettwasneqden sɣur tmsiwant.

0 n yiwenniten

#4Yesdukkul tifraninD · Interpretation

Amedya n Bayna·

Point of view: the river is the Chelif in Algeria. Found: a 1930 travel account mentioning reed baskets on the Chelif.

Tawlaft neɣ asmiḍen · travel-account-1930.jpg · E

① Tifranin · 10 seg 25mazal 15

Ilaq ad tettwasneqd? Fren tigniwin s ttbut iǧehden — maci kan tid i tqebleḍ. Ɣef 25 n tefranin ad tɛeddi ɣer usenqed.

② Isenqaden · 0 seg 150 teṣḥa

Ayen ara yettwasneqden: Ldi yal ttbut u sentem belli yeqqar-d ayen i d-tenna tegnit.

Ad yeldi mi ara taweḍ tegnit-a 25 n tefranin.

0 n yiwenniten